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"Ale skąd wiesz, Cammino jest źle, jeśli nigdy nie byłem na spotkanie?"

12/1/2013

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Nieuchronnie, mam pytanie,

"Ale skąd wiesz, Cammino jest źle, jeśli nigdy nie byłem na spotkanie?"

gdybym usłyszał zeznania (od dosłownie na całym świecie) z byłych członków grupy, z których każda niezależnie zawarte te same dane na ich rachunkach-świadectwa z miejsc tak odległych jak w Anglii, we Włoszech, na Słowacji, w Arabii, a USA-byłbym pewien, że było trochę prawdy w tym.

Oczywiście, jestem pewien, że niektóre grupy Cammino są bardzo dobre, i wiem, że sam cammino uczy kilka pozytywnych rzeczy. Ale dlaczego ja jest oczekiwać, aby zakładać, negatywne zeznania są kłamstwa, a nie pozytywne? A jak wytłumaczysz fakt, że wszystkie negatywne są od byłych członków, a wszystkie z nich są pozytywne z obecnych członków, chyba, że ​​ludzie są powiedział, co powiedzieć, gdy obecnie w Cammino?

Prawdopodobnie istnieje kilka bardzo dobrych grup Cammino i wiele dobrych członków Cammino, ale oczekiwać ktoś wierzyć kłamstwa, które są opowiadane jest niedorzeczne.

Nie jestem głupi.

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"Pero, ¿cómo saber la cammino es malo si nunca has estado en una reunión?"

12/1/2013

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Inevitablemente, se me pide,

"Pero, ¿cómo saber la cammino es malo si nunca has estado en una reunión?"

si escuché testimonios (de, literalmente, todo el mundo) de los ex miembros de un grupo, todos los cuales contenían independientemente los mismos detalles exactos en sus Cuentas en testimonios de lugares tan lejanos como Inglaterra, Italia, Eslovaquia, la Arabia, y el EE.UU.-Yo estaría seguro de que había algo de verdad en ello.

Por supuesto, estoy seguro de que algunos grupos Cammino son muy buenas, y sé que el propio cammino enseña algunas cosas positivas. Pero ¿por qué se me esperaba para asumir los testimonios negativos son mentiras, y no los positivos? Y ¿cómo se explica el hecho de que todos los negativos son de los antiguos miembros, y todos los positivos son de los miembros actuales, a menos que la gente se les dice qué decir mientras que actualmente en el cammino?

Probablemente hay algunos muy buenos grupos Cammino, y muchos miembros de buenas Cammino, pero esperen a alguien que crea las mentiras que se les está diciendo es ridículo.

No soy estúpida.

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"Mais comment savez-vous la cammino est mauvais si vous n'avez jamais été à une réunion?"

12/1/2013

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Inévitablement, je me demande,

"Mais comment savez-vous la cammino est mauvais si vous n'avez jamais été à une réunion?"

si j'ai entendu des témoignages (littéralement de partout dans le monde) d'anciens membres d'un groupe, qui contenait indépendamment les mêmes détails exacts dans leurs comptes-témoignages des endroits aussi loin que l'Angleterre, l'Italie, la Slovaquie, la Saoudite, et le USA-je serais sûr qu'il y avait quelque chose de vrai.

Bien sûr, je suis sûr que certains groupes de cammino sont très bons, et je sais que le cammino se enseigne des choses positives. Mais pourquoi suis-je m'attendais à assumer les témoignages négatifs sont des mensonges, et pas les aspects positifs? Et comment expliquez-vous le fait que tous les effets négatifs sont d'anciens membres, et tous les effets positifs sont des membres actuels, à moins que les gens se font dire ce qu'il faut dire tout moment dans le cammino?

Il ya probablement de très bons groupes de cammino, et de nombreux membres de bonnes cammino, mais à attendre quelqu'un pour croire les mensonges qui sont racontées est ridicule.

Je ne suis pas stupide.

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Ma...sei una Kika?

12/1/2013

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Inevitabilmente, mi viene chiesto,

"Ma come fai a sapere il Cammino è male, se non siete mai stati ad una riunione?"

se ho sentito testimonianze (letteralmente da tutto il mondo) da ex membri di un gruppo, ognuno dei quali conteneva indipendente esattamente stessi dettagli nei loro conti-testimonianze da luoghi lontani come Inghilterra, Italia, Slovacchia, l'Arabia, e il USA-Sarei sicura che ci fosse qualcosa di vero.

Certo, sono sicuro che alcuni gruppi Cammino sono molto buoni, e so che il Cammino si insegna alcune cose positive. Ma perché mi viene aspettavo di assumere le testimonianze negative sono bugie, e non quelli positivi? E come si spiega il fatto che tutti quelli negativi sono da ex membri, e tutti quelli positivi sono da membri attuali, a meno che la gente viene detto cosa dire, mentre attualmente in Cammino?

Ci sono probabilmente alcuni gruppi Cammino molto buono, e molti membri buoni Cammino, ma aspettarsi che qualcuno a credere alle bugie che vengono raccontate è ridicolo.

Non sono stupida.

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Church Mouse is Back!

11/30/2013

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Good news!

The website Church Mouse is back up, after a very long time without any new posts.

This site is based in Australia, about a parish which is being invaded by the neo- cats, in which many parishioners, including many Australian aboriginal parishioners, are being discriminated against financially, theologically, and culturally. They tried to get along with and accept a Way priest for a while, and it just didn't work out, so they're back posting articles detailing the situation.

St. Vincent's RedFern has had enough of the neocatechumenal influence, and I think they are a brave group of citizens and deserve to have a lot of visitors to their site.

Cheers you guys!

church-mouse.net

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"But have you ever been to a Way meeting?"

11/30/2013

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Inevitably, the tired creator of this site is asked,

"But how do you know the Way is bad if you've never been to a meeting?"

I don't know about you, but if I heard testimonies from literally all over the world from former members of a group, all of which testimonies independently contained the exact same details in their accounts- testimonies from places as far away as England, Italy, Slovakia, the Middle East, and the USA- I'd be pretty sure there was some truth to it.

Of course, I'm sure some Way groups are very good, and I know the Way itself teaches at least some positive things. But why am I being expected to assume the negative testimonies are lies, and not the positive ones? And how do you explain the fact that all of the negative ones are from former members, and all the positive ones are from current members, unless while in the Way, people are being told what to say?

There are probably some very good Way groups, and many good Way members, but to expect me to believe some of the lies that are being told is ludicrous.

I'm not that stupid.

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Contacting Neocats and Former Neocats

2/22/2013

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     "Were the experiences good or bad?" many people are inclined to ask members and former members.  Te reality is not so simple.  


      What makes the Neocatechumenal Way so tragic is that it gives members a needed dose of positive things such as increased spirituality and life dedication (including the dedication to end drugs and mend relationships), yet it gives these things to members on condition they accept the negative aspects as well: group confessions, ignoring family and friends, arranged and/or loveless marriages, being pushed to reject the outside world, being pushed to donate exorbitant amounts of money to the group, losing control over one's life decisions and beliefs...

      Better would be to either change the Neocatechumenate to adopt such healthy practices as being allowed to duck out of public confessions, choose one's marital partner, and keep their money and personal life out of others' scrutinizing; or to leave the Way altogether, and trying to get any (genuine) friends one has made out of it and into a better lifestyle.

      The most important thing we can do at this point is to try to speak to as many former members as possible.  They will be better equipped than anyone else to help heal their brothers and sisters still trapped in the negative aspects of the Way.   





      Former Italian members or testimonies can be found at such sites as www.neocatecumenali.blogspot.com , http://www.reocities.com/Athens/Delphi/6919/ita_index.htm , and http://www.internetica.it/neocatecumenali/.   Former Spanish members and others opposed to the Way's practices are at http://laverdaddeloskikos.blogspot.com/ , http://caminoneocatecumenalsecta.blogspot.com/.  A French site run by a psychologist is 
http://www.psychologue-clinicien.com/chemin.htm .   A Polish site is: http://www.antyk.org.pl/wiara/neokatechumenat.htm .  


     An English language blog post somewhat critical about the Way is here: http://tasithoughts.com/2008/07/06/the-growing-neocatechumenal-controversy-and-chasm-in-the-catholic-church/  .   Another site that is thoroughly critical about the Way is http://church-mouse.lanuera.com/new/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=4&Itemid=854  .







     Unfortunately, many of these links are old, and sometimes you don't get an email response.  However, they list important information about the reality of the Neocatechumenate as experienced by actual parishioners, both in and around the Way.  It has already been said that the number of ex-members is more than three times the number of current members.  




     Perhaps the longer we look, the more people we will find who are willing to add their numbers to the crusade to tell the truth about the Way.  



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